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4.5 Excellent (129 Reviews) |
8883675134
Florida (FL) > Panama City Beach, FL
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22219 Panama City Beach Parkway
Panama City Beach, Florida 32413
8883675134

Financial & Insurance Details

  • Insurance
  • Medicare
  • Medicaid
  • Financing

Services

  • Oceanfront
  • Beach Community
  • Private/Secluded
  • Residential Neighborhood
  • Luxury
  • Resort

Facility Highlights

5-Star Google Reviews

3:1 Staff-To-Client Ratio

University Partnerships

24/7 Alumni Support

6,000+ Success Stories

In-Network with 48 Insurances

Philosophy

If you're looking for help that actually helps you, you're in the right place. Treatment here is covered by insurance — backed by a 95% satisfaction rating and hundreds of positive reviews online.

When you're ready to talk about doing something different, give us a call. We have inpatient rehabs and outpatient clinics to meet you where you are. You don’t have to commit to coming here, or even to getting treatment, to start talking about your options.

Testimonials

  • 15 months ago, the only option I had was death...plain and simple. I didn't love myself enough to even want to live anymore. It wasn't until I completely let go and surrendered during a sunset in California that I heard a voice that told me "Not Yet." That night and next day, by none of my OWN devices, I was led to JourneyPure in Panama City Beach. I took a leap of faith to travel 2,000 miles to a city I had never been and to put my recovery in the hands of people that were complete strangers to me. But, because of the love and support of the staff at this facility, they provided me with a foundation to begin a new life of sobriety. Because of them, I began to TRULY live my life, but more importantly, I began to love MYSELF again. I can not fully articulate how much these people mean to me.

Facility Center Details

  • Residential Treatment
  • Detox Services
  • Behavioral Disorder Treatment
  • Dual Diagnosis
  • Outpatient Services
  • Intensive Outpatient Services
  • Sober Living Home
  • Day School
  • Private Rooms
  • Pet Friendly
  • Exceptionally LGBT Friendly
  • Men Only
  • Women Only

Accreditation/License

  • CARF
  • JCAHO
  • ADP
  • NAATP

Treatment Links

Drug Rehab Kentucky Drug Rehab Tennessee Drug Rehab Florida

Press & Media

JourneyPure in the New York Times (Cover)

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Meet The Staff

Dr. Duke Vinson DBH, LPC, CCMHC, MAC, CCAADC, CCS, SAP
Director of Florida Facilities

Dr. Duke is a doctorate-level psychologist with a decade of experience specifically in addiction treatment. He also happens to be in recovery himself.

"We have to fight addiction like we do any other medical condition, with up-to-date and well-researched techniques executed by people that truly care."

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Jennifer Marlowe LMHC, MS
Primary Therapist

Jennifer is a masters-level therapist with over 20 years of experience in this field. She specializes in CBT, trauma and mindfulness therapies.

"No matter how hard the world pushes against you, within you there’s something stronger — something better, pushing back."

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5.0
Excellent
JourneyPure was life-changing for me. The admissions and discharge staff were very efficient!
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5.0
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Staff was great, very professional
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5.0
Excellent
Lovely experience, great staff, thank you Journey Pure
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5.0
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all the staff is very courteous and professional and help you with everything its a great rehab
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5.0
Excellent
amazing staff, great people who really care.
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5.0
Excellent
Amazing facility, compassionate staff that gave me the tools I needed to stay sober today! The facility is super clean and gorgeous. I am forever grateful for this program and all of the therapists that helped me along the way!
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5.0
Excellent
How can I describe getting my life back? JouneyPure's staff is the reason I am writing this. I'm not sure where I'd be if not for them
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1.3
N/A
Substandard care provided at this facility. Lack of discharge planning. No dual diagnosis treatment provided. Clinical Director is clueless everytime you try to find out anything about your loved one. Very disorganized facility and staff. They will take your money and discharge you with no plan or support. Beware...seriously... stay away from this facility.
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5.0
Excellent
It is a wonderful program as long as you pay attention. I have learned alot from being there. The main thing is you have to do it for you and give it 100%. I found that the majority of the people that work there are actually very concerned about the people who walk thru the doors each and everyday. I definitely would recommend this facility to anyone who wants to learn a new way of life
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4.7
Excellent
very nice program thank u for another chance at life .e
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4.0
Great
The staff is great and really care about the recovery of the patients.
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5.0
Excellent
Needs some organization but everything else was great.
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5.0
Excellent
I've never had it so good
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5.0
Excellent
very clean and nice accommodations. staff is very nice and helpful. would highly recommend to someone wanting to get into treatment
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3.7
Very Good
just more physical activity
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4.7
Excellent
Best decision I ever made!!
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4.3
Great
Had a great time in recovery.
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3.7
Very Good
best move i ever made. i appreciate the staff for all you do.
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5.0
Excellent
Journey Pure has given me way more than my expectations. They truly saved my life. The hospitality is something money can not buy! The staff was extremely helpful in every situation and I have had an unbelievable experience. I could never repay them for what they have done for me.
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5.0
Excellent
The staff is absolutely amazing! It's what makes journey pure the best facility i have ever experienced! I would recommend journey pure to any family or friends battling alcoholism and addictions. If i could do it again i wouldn't change a thing thank you journey pure
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4.3
Great
my Journey Pure experience was a decent one. There were some staff that were not proffessonal at all, and not not organized at times. there are some staff that are doing an excellent job.
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3.7
Very Good
Wonderful facility and staff.
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5.0
Excellent
Loved it here, wonderful program
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2.7
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bad exit stratagy
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4.3
Great
JourneyPure was excellent. The staff and techs were beyond amazing! JourneyPure saved my life and for that I am forever grateful.
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5.0
Excellent
I feel my time at Journey Pure was very helpful and has given me the tools I am going to need to maintain sobriety and have a full and productive life.
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4.3
Great
The staff and accommodations were awesome and I would highly recommend this place to anyone seeking treatment from drugs or alcohol. Awesome place!!!
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4.0
Great
I found the staff to be extremely helpful and concerned about the recovery process and progress of the patients. The best part was most definitely the therapy staff.
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5.0
Excellent
this place saved my life. the staff is amazing, the houses are beautiful, and the support i received is top notch. if you are looking to change your life for the better, journey pure is the place you need to come to.
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4.7
Excellent
overall this place brought me back from the edge. I could not have done this by myself. The staff here gave me tools to use when I get home.
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5.0
Excellent
You get out of it, what you put into it.
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4.3
Great
The staff is very friendly and really do care about their patients. Journey Pure has a wonderful program and great therapist.
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5.0
Excellent
Journey pure was healed me physically, emotionally, spiritually and mentally! The staff was amazing from detox techs, therapists, nurses, docs and all! The housing was was amazing with the blue waters of the gulf of Mexico across the street, the pool and and home cooked meals and bbq shrimp salmon and steaks. Equine therapy, beach trips and mediataion i the outdoors did a great job for me. I regained my life, laughter, confidence and made incredible connections and friends. I even extended my stay so I could make even more of my stay at JP. I highly recommend coming here.
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5.0
Excellent
Journey Pure has been wonderful in responding to my treatment needs. They are not only a multifaceted program, focusing on physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual health, but a community of like-minded people who share a passion for recovery. From intake to treatment to discharge and setting up aftercare, the staff and executives with the corporate office have been engaged every step of the way. Please, if you or a loved one is still sick and suffering, call Journey Pure.
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5.0
Excellent
chuck the direct of this program is wonderful he really is a good person an the staff here is great this program saved my life
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5.0
Excellent
Had a great experience, staff was excellent!!!
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5.0
Excellent
This was an excellent experience.
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4.7
Excellent
My treatment and recovery process was great here. The staff has great energy at all times. The rules are pretty strict and they are there for a reason. I definitely recommend this Treatment center to anyone battling with addiction in any form or fashion. They are GREAT.
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5.0
Excellent
I recommend this facility completely, a wonderful place with many caring people
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5.0
Excellent
If it wasn't for Journey Pure Emerald Coast I wouldn't be where I am today this place is wonderful. The only effective rehab treatment I have ever been too. I am so so so so happy to be writing this review. ALL AND I MEAN ALL THE STAFF REALLY HONESTLY TRULY CARE. I love this place I love all the people this placed helped with my on going addiction for4 years. I LOVE JOURNEY PURE
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4.0
Great
Over all a great place to recover.
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4.7
Excellent
Highly recommend this facility. I went from broken to extremely hopeful for the future. The staff care for the clients in a way I've never witnessed before. If you need help, this is the place to go!
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5.0
Excellent
Great experience here, great staff and would highly recommend to anyone seeking help for alcohol or drug addiction.
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5.0
Excellent
The staff is amazing from start to finish.
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5.0
Excellent
this place has given me the strength and courage to succesfuly beat the monstor I was dealing with aka addiction
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4.7
Excellent
this place has been a huge help in building a foundation for my recovery.
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5.0
Excellent
I have learned more about myself in 30 days than I have in my entire adult life.
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5.0
Excellent
my experience here was wonder and I learned so much everybody was great
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5.0
Excellent
I recommend this rehab facilty. two thumbs up. It was great!
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4.3
Great
I had the pleasure of staying at Journey Pure for 30 days.During my stay I was able to gain the mental clarity and focus to break the final bonds of my addiction.Journey Pure incorporates the best facets of the 12 steps with evidence based techniques from the human growth movement,cognitive behavior and others.They were open and willing to explore new ideas which was particularly refreshing.Being able to pick from the very best of these is what sets them apart.Structured enough to keep you motivated and lax enough to experience epiphanies I would recommend it to anyone ready to take action steps on their path to sobriety.
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5.0
Excellent
If you really want to stay clean, this is the place. The staff is genuine, loving, and caring.
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4.7
Excellent
I have lean a lot here though groups.
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5.0
Excellent
This treatment center is amazing! The staff is very professional and the therapists really did an in depth evaluation on me.
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3.3
Good
I had a very good experience at Journey Pure and have obtained some very valuable coping skills/tools that will help me stay sober. Extremely caring staff that clearly cares for the clients and wants to see them recovery successfully.
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5.0
Excellent
I've been to other rehabs before and Journey Pure is by far the best. It is an amazing facility with the latest recovery tools.
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4.7
Excellent
This place is amazing. I have nothing but great things to say about this place. They took me in off the streets and treated me with love and compassion that every human deserves. The staff really cares about the well being of the patients. I have been to other places where that wasn't the case. This place is growing everyday and it makes me happy to see that more people are getting the treatment they need.
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3.7
Very Good
Treatment effectiveness was top notch. The staff has a true passion for helping a fellow addict. Without them I wouldn't have stayed. Big thanks to the staff for sure. Meditation, Process groups, all great. One thing I would change is the transition from Detox to residential 2 to the beach houses. That is a bit of a mess. They change your therapist/counselor three times and I believe you should have just one for a 30 day period. Other than that, superb. Accommodations.. Beach view houses of the gulf, plus. Shape of the houses, par. Some updating would be nice. Vans could use some attention to detail as well. The center is great. Clean, organized, and cozy. Meals&Nutrition.. They have a great Chef for sure so when you are at detox or residential 2 you don't have to cook. Meals are great and JP will accommodate to your diet, big plus. Once at the beach houses you make a list every week and eat like kings. You also cook for yourself of others in the beach houses. Overall...I will have to say this place is great, if you are serious about recovery and want a big change take a chance here. It is a great place. 4 out of 5 stars.
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4.0
Great
Well overall my Journey Pure Experience was decent. Staff were a great help I highly recommend them if you come here.Some are a little hard but its great and she pushes me I cant speak for anybody else. Theyt were great they believed in me more than I did myself. Had a great caseload manager she always was on top it everything and I appreciate her for that. believed in me also and I thank her for that.Now the real review is not good the people in my comments are great I highly recommend them.Now for the big boss he did some mischievous he de-chaired me it was an act of unmanliness I didn't appreciate it at all.I enjoyed the whole detox staff,the medical staff and everybody else that knows me.The website is also misleading so don't go by it and they are not really hard on discipline either haha but whatever it was great.So like I said don't go by the website at all and also don't blame the people in my good comments blame the boss for not being on top of things.
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3.0
Good
I feel like the groups are good. there needs to be more counselin also the commutation between the techs are very poor .but this is a company GROWING AND I DO APPERIATE BEING HERE I did learn a lot in the groups and that is hard to find in a rehab so if u want quality care as in how to get tools to go to the real would with this is the place ..... just want to thank staff who is a very caring loving person who I see helping a lot of us addict ..thank you journey pure.i see great growth with in..
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4.0
Great
Good program, Great staff.
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4.0
Great
Overall a great experience. Staff was amazing!!
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4.7
Excellent
Staff is outstanding!! Very caring and willing to help. Great after care planning and therapy programs.
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5.0
Excellent
JourneyPure was very effective in identifying my inner problems and helping me with triggers and relapse preventions for when I get out of rehab. They therapists sessions were incredible.
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4.3
Great
This is a great place. Everything you need to recover is provided.
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5.0
Excellent
My experience at journeypure Emerald Coast was amazing. The curriculum was impressive and seemed to be tailored to my needs as a recovering addict. The program helped me to improve my relationship with god and understand the disease concept which intern improved my overall health mentally as well as physically. The staff was amazing. They were extremely educated in the recovery process and seemed to truly care about clients. This program saved my life and for that I am truly grateful.
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4.7
Excellent
The staff at Journey Pure is the most caring and aware staff I have ever worked with. The structures they put in place and the fellowship that they foster saved my life. I highly recommend Journey Pure for anyone seeking addiction treatment and recovery.
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5.0
Excellent
I personally enjoyed my experience at Journey Pure Emerald Coast. I have learned so much about myself and have received so many tools to help with my sobriety and couldn't be more thankful for this treatment center. I would recommend this program to everyone I know in need of recovery.
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4.0
Great
I received excellent care at Journey Pure. I would recommend this treatment center to any addict needing treatment for their disease. Awesome therapist. Journey Pure has a safe environment. I had many issues along with HIV and the care was insurmountable.
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5.0
Excellent
I would definitely recommend this treatment center to anyone Such a great experience, Thank you Journey Pure!!!!!!!
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4.7
Excellent
Journey Pure Emerald Coast is by far the best treatment center I have been to. I would highly recommend this treatment center to anyone in need of rehab and recovery. The location, people, staff, and amenities are wonderful.
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4.7
Excellent
The staff here is incredible, it's easy to tell that they all truly care about your recovery. If you are serious about your recovery and put in the work, then you can get the help you need here.
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4.0
Great
Journey Pure was helpful in my recovery and really tries to help you. Detox was great and the staff is mostly people in recovery who sympathize with your situation.
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5.0
Excellent
I enjoyed my time at JP. The staff was very attentive and helped me along the way. Thank you for all you have done for me!
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4.7
Excellent
JourneyPure Emerald Coast was an amazing experience overall. It was life changing if you work the program and utilize the tools they teach you and put them to work. It's not a perfect facility, but the staff genuinely cares and are all there to help the patients. The culture of the program is a strong point and a huge part of the reason that I was successful in my treatment. They are working on getting more activities, which was an area of improvement during my 30+ days. Also they are working on improving the dispensing of meds to where it doesn't require an hour wait, so they have a lot of positive changes coming. Overall I would highly recommend JourneyPure Emerald Coast and I feel it is the best decision I have ever made.
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4.3
Great
Had a few issues at first but after communicating through the right avenues, journey pure accommodated my needs exceptionally. I would recommend this facility to anyone serious about sobriety and turning over a new leaf in life.
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4.0
Great
Staff was very helpful in most situations. At times I felt they could do more, but all in all it was a very good experience.
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5.0
Excellent
I would like to thank the staff at journey pure for giving me a positive atmosphere to grow and recuperate.
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4.7
Excellent
I have had a great time coming to journey pure in a different state other than my own state. . *They have treated me more than well. Giving me the opportunity to help changes my ways as of being an alcoholic along with aftercare. Some techs may need a little work as in talking to patients as if they are inmates. Other than that, I have no negative to say about my experience
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4.7
Excellent
Journey Pure is an excellent program with staff that care about their patients and work with them on a daily basis. I could not recommend this place more to an addict who truly wants to work a program and wants to get sober. Excellent program.
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5.0
Excellent
this place has taught me so much about relapsed prevention and the brotherhood between the guys that are in treatment is simply amazing the way everyone really wants to work a program ...my therapist is an amazing person has helped identified a lot of problems I didn't see before ....thank you JP for everything looking forward to stay in contact in the recovery app
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4.7
Excellent
This is by far the best and last rehab I have been to. The staff is really helpful in all aspects in recovery. Also the brotherhood that they allow us to form with are fellow peers is strong and gives great hope for what is to come. Thank you for everything Journey Pure.
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5.0
Excellent
Thank you Journey Pure! This was my first (and only time) in treatment. My expectations were low when I got here, but I left feeling better than ever! I am going to miss this place and all of the friends I have made. Who comes to rehab and has the time of their life? Journey pure was a really great experience and I absolutely loved the group therapy and the staff is awesome!
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5.0
Excellent
Great therapists, groups, and techs made for an amazing experience. Housing is located on the beach which provided a relaxing time.
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3.7
Very Good
Everything was pretty good except for there were no adventure activities or outings like stated on your website. That was truly disheartening.
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4.0
Great
The only thing I would change is getting your personal phone more than once a week.
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5.0
Excellent
Journey Pure quite literally changed my life. You get out of this program what you put into it. There is no cure for this disease, but there is a remedy; you have a choice in life, your decisions and how you respond to stressors and emotions. I've learned various coping skills through the Journey Pure program, and I can honestly say that the path I was on would have taken my life, Journey Pure taught me skills that saved my life. I highly recommend this program to anyone that's willing to actually put forth effort and strive for a positive change in your life.
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5.0
Excellent
I am grateful for this opportunity at journey pure, I have gained a lot here. thanks to all the staff for their love and support.
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3.7
Very Good
I loved my stay here at journey pure. The staff here is exceptional and is always willing to help in any way possible. I will recommend this place to anyone that might need the same level of care I received. very grateful for my experience here.
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5.0
Excellent
Its amazing facility with great staff and if your serious about recovery this is the best possible place you could send your self or loved one!
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4.7
Excellent
Friendly, supportive staff and techs on hand . You get what you put into it and for me that was a lot . The staff will readily assist any needs pertinent to recovery needs and concerns. I'm very grateful to have been accommodated in the program in every area I reached out on and underlying needs I knew very little of . but they helped me come out of myself and that is non repayable gift . thank you jp
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4.7
Excellent
Journey Pure was very helpful in helping me start my recovery. They have an awesome staff and it was very fun.
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4.3
Great
The best of the best. My stay here was pleasant and fun.
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5.0
Excellent
Therapist and all staff were excellent! Well recommended for anyone with addiction!
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4.7
Excellent
Staff amazing all accommodating meets where I'm at with support
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4.0
Great
I want to thank all staff for their service and providing me an awesome experience.
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5.0
Excellent
GReat treatmet helped me find myself and really get to know me!
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4.7
Excellent
journey pure is a great program i highly recommend them..staff great.
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4.3
Great
Journey Pure was a very solid experience.2nd treatment I've been to and it was much more organized then my previous experience. I would recommend anyone seeking help to contact Journey Pure.
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5.0
Excellent
JourneyPure Emerald Coast taught me how to live and gave me the tools I need for recovery.
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4.0
Great
I feel nutrition starts with organic foods which I am used to eating. I thought the nutrition aspect was greatly lacking.
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4.0
Great
Phenom. staff- helpful, full of hope and inspiration.
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4.3
Great
All the techs and staff are wonderful. Ive gained a lot of useful information from Journey Pure.
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3.7
Very Good
This facility Changed my life. They have the best therapists. Trips to the beach are constant!
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4.3
Great
My time in treatment was good. thanks
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3.3
Good
I feel like my time here was not wasted. My counselor was great. The tech staff, the after care swere very helpful.
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5.0
Excellent
I would highly recommend to anyone with a problem.
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4.0
Great
Recommend to anyone seeking addiction help
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5.0
Excellent
Journey Pure gave me the tools I need to stay clean and sober.
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4.0
Great
I would recommend to anyone with a problem.
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5.0
Excellent
Love this place, it changed my life and I miss it and the staff every day.
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4.7
Excellent
Love this place.
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4.7
Excellent
awesome place, awesome staff
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5.0
Excellent
Journey Pure has been an amazing experience and has given me a wonderful foundation to work with as I continue my road to recovery. Thank you to ALL here at Journey Pure!
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3.0
Good
This experience has had ups and downs but overall I have learned alot. I will apply all to my day to day. I praise God for this opportunity and will always be grateful for the role Journey Pure had.
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4.7
Excellent
Journey Pure is an awesome treatment facility for those who have lost their way in life through drugs and alcohol. I would recommend this facility to anyone who might has a problem with drugs and alcohol. My experience at Journey Pure has been life changing.
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4.0
Great
Highly recommend to any one suffering from addiction
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4.3
Great
highly recomend
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4.3
Great
staff is wonderful very caring and compassionate
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5.0
Excellent
I would suggest Journeypure to anyone who needs help with addiction or has a love one that does.
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5.0
Excellent
JourneyPure Emerald Coast changed my life! It wasn't just a rehab, it was a family bound together with one goal- to stay sober. The staff are family and you won't find anyone who cares about you like they do, they treat you like the human beings you are and not like you are just another addict. One particular therapist is a beautiful soul and my favorite. The a few key staff will lead you to the best sober living homes you can find. They are also my absolute favorites! The house managers are wonderful, the funniest and most sarcastic women you'll meet but they treat you as if you are their own. They changed my life and everyone was phenomenal! I met friends who will last a lifetime, the best guy friend I've ever met I met here- but no fratinizing 😉 Just be willing and they will lead you towards the right path but it's your choice to continue on that path! Plus the houses are beautiful with a pool! What more could you ask for?!
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4.3
Great
The staff does not communicate with the loved ones unless you demand some answers. If your addict tries to leave the facility it could be because many of the patients are severe drug addicts who bully others. The staff is very good but they have their hands full and you must stay on top of your addicts treatment.
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5.0
Excellent
An awesome facility. Especially fot those who really understand that they cannot successfully get loaded.
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5.0
Excellent
I spent a total of 80 days impatient there so I can speak from a great amount of experience of the facility and staff. First, the detox section is amazing! I have never been so well taken care of treated so kindly! The detox staff a few are amazing people who care! The intake team are available and will get you situated fast! Secondly they offer 2 impatient treatment options, Traditional and Christian. The Christian tract is led by 2 phenomenal therapist. It changed my life. The traditional tract is equally great and is led by a team of awesome counsellors! Also the residential houses are like something out of a movie. They are 3 story houses litteraly across the street from the most beautiful beaches. They provide you with all you could need and the houses are staffed 24hrs as day! Oh and you get to use you cell phone twice a week for a few hours which is nice. Finally, the leadership at Journey Pure are awesome people! They were always available and caring. If I needed to talk to either I felt comfortable enough to go to their offices! Also after you leave they don't just forget about you. The after care coach, will periodically harrass you via every type of messaging service until you block her. Lol. They care! If I had any compliant its that the days are long. The day starts early and ends late but wedding mind that when were out using so its worth the investment! Id highly suggest this place to anyone at any age at any stage of addiction. The psychiatrist on staff will get you situated quickly and absolutely does not prescribe any habit forming medications! Call them, its the first step to a new life. Feel free to message me with any questions. My motivation is to help the still suffering addict!
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5.0
Excellent
awesome
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5.0
Excellent
Strong clinical staff but communication to line staff was a weakness. Overall it was awesome
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3.7
Very Good
I would refer anyone looking for treatment to Journey Pure.
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5.0
Excellent
I have been working for JourneyPure Emerald Coast for about 6 months. This is the most unbelievable job.. I look forward to coming to work everyday. I feel like I am making a difference in the lives of alcoholics and addicts. If you love what you do, you\'ll never work a day in your life!
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I have a neice there.... The nurses that checked her in, were unbelievable! They were awesome. My advice.... If you want to know where your loved one or relative is, this facility is absolutely not recommended. It seems impossible for them to return calls in a timely manner, there are NO scheduled times you are allowed to call and talk to the patient. They DO NOT work around anyone else\'s work schedule, so if your job does not allow you to be gone from 8-5, you WILL NOT see or talk to them for days. Excuse me if this is protocol, but it seems completely different from any other rehab I have heard of.
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4.7
Excellent
The staff at Journey Pure is very kind and understanding. They are there for me, every step of the way. Without them my life would be very different... The Florida location is a definite plus as well!
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